不知道为什么，论坛很多人有点对新加坡有敌意。

yoyopaul · 发表于 2-2-2005 13:39:06|来自：新加坡

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用daniellb10在2005-2-2 11:26:32的发言：


谢谢支持哦。。。：）。。
不过你来了也不消息我。还是要生气一下。。。。。[em03][em03]</DIV>
晕。。你是luck1023的马甲吗？

lootoonyek · 发表于 2-2-2005 18:03:51|来自：新加坡

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daniellb10 · 发表于 2-2-2005 17:54:35|来自：新加坡

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用yoyopaul在2005-2-2 13:39:06的发言：

晕。。你是luck1023的马甲吗？</DIV>
Q其实这个也不可以说是我的马甲，因为我已开始是用的这个号，后来采用那个ID的。。呵呵，所以现在在公司的话，我用这个，在家用那个ID

yoyopaul · 发表于 3-2-2005 09:41:47|来自：新加坡

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用lootoonyek在2005-2-2 18:03:51的发言：

你看我现在己经变成一头加菲猫，都懒得睬这些小老鼠了！
[em40][em40][em40]</DIV>

那以后是不是要改口叫你加菲猫啊？[em01]

yoyopaul · 发表于 3-2-2005 09:40:21|来自：新加坡

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用daniellb10在2005-2-2 17:54:35的发言：

Q其实这个也不可以说是我的马甲，因为我已开始是用的这个号，后来采用那个ID的。。呵呵，所以现在在公司的话，我用这个，在家用那个ID</DIV>

你突然用这个号跟我说话，也没有消息我，害我莫名其妙。。
还是要生气一下。。（礼尚往来）[em03]

redvwe · 发表于 3-2-2005 12:17:09|来自：新加坡

这些都是其他国家所没有的经济来源，你要说中国，我就说中国，那时候自己国内都是漫天片地的饥荒，中国还是对外援助。别国有外战，要求援助的时候，也给予很大的军事和经济援助。中国没有侵略和掠夺其他国家，就算在战败国的停战协议中也没有要求拿回被掠夺的财物，更不要说要求任何的赔偿了。

No, I don't care you point out, I want the details an so far you fail to provide any, thus your argument is lame and of little convincing ability. Both parties in china never involved on foreign aid nor did it appeal it during the post-war. Any intervention are politicisation rather than humanitarian concern by interests. And once humanitarian aid serves causes rather than victims and embraces political parties or religious or cultural ideologies, it loses its claim as humanitarian.

。中国建国以后，虽然稍微对外开放，不过真正的对外开发，引进外资，外企，也是到了８０－９０年代才开始的。中国２战以后还是在进行内战，进行文化大革命，发展时间更加比日本短。　－－－－ｆｒｉｅｎｄ！ｈｏｗ　ｔｏ　ｃｏｍｐａｒｅ？！！

There is a civil war in the US that starts in 19th century. That conflict flares up and down for nearly century. In the modern world most civil wars occur in nations that are autocratic, and geographic antinomy. Almost every nation has minority groups, religious plurality, and ideological divisions, but few plunge into civil war. Some models of why civil wars occur stress the importance of change and transition. Thus the civil war was caused by the growing economic power of the south (coastal regions) relative to the north (arid-land) in PRC. Your statement was not only irrelevancy but preposterous in every way.
Competition for resources and wealth within a society is seen as a frequent cause for civil wars, however economic gain is rarely the justification espoused by the participants.

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redvwe · 发表于 3-2-2005 12:22:19|来自：新加坡

请问！这种军事情况难道还符合当初战败国的协议吗？！？！这种军事还算是ｓｅｌｆ　ｄｅｆｅｎｓｅ　ｆｏｒｃｅｓ吗？！他又有什么权力去发展现有的新武器？！他现在确确实实花很多钱在军事，（所以我才上面才说是一开始的时期）可是合法吗？！

The Self Defence Forces were set up in 1954, two years after the Allied occupation came to an end with the peace treaty that went into effect in 1952, the occupation ended. For most of the post-war period, the Japanese have taken the name of the Self Defence Force very literally. It has been there to defend Japan - nothing else. In fact, it took another 40 years before the main opposition party would even recognize the existence of the Self Defence Force as constitutional. 
Even so, it is one of the most modern and best-equipped forces in the world. It has state of the art technology, and trains regularly with the United States. But in keeping with its purely defensive role, it does not possess offensive weapons, such as intercontinental missiles or bombers. Nor does it have nuclear weapons, although Japan is known to have the technology to build them.

就像我做的那个比喻一样，用不合法的手段去达到想要得效果和目的。你又觉得哪里比喻的比较ｆｏｏｌ了？！！

For sake of analysis, any facts from assume or plainly example are Nothing. Don't assume the facts would speak for themselves. For starters, assume that what you're being told is wrong. Why do people assume that when some one believes what . 
Don't be a fool.

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redvwe · 发表于 3-2-2005 12:12:18|来自：新加坡

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用daniellb10在2005-2-2 14:23:58的发言：

2战过后，美国大量的在日本建立合资企业和美国的生产公司，将大量的技术和设备进入日本，这样就促使了日本的经济在战后的高速发展，</DIV>
The occupational forces thought of dismantling zaibatsu (financial combines), which they saw as the money-bags behind the military. They decentralize education systems and the police, so as to weaken the power and influence of the central government. Nevertheless, the Americans did not care very much about Japan's economic recovery, and let it up to the Japanese to care about it. 
The yen was set to a favourable rate of 360 for 1 US$ to stimulate exports. These new regulations put tremendous stress on the Japanese economy, nearly drawing it into depression. As the Korean War commenced, Americans military procurements surged, orders from Japan amounted to two billion US$ between 1951-53, approximately 60% of all its exports. 
Japan of 1945 and Japan of 1952 were vastly different nations. In 1945 the occupation forces had set about demilitarizing and democratizing Japan, and deconcentrating the economic power of the zaibatsu, or family combines. After the first three years, however, American policy was influenced by the Cold War to make the military security and economic rehabilitation of Japan its first priority. However, growing concern over communist power in Asia, particularly the success of the PRC in its struggle against KMT forces, led the U.S to halt reforms in 1947 and 1948. 
Japan benefited from the American military protection, which spared the government from high defense spendings. The same happened in West Germany, and both nations experienced the most formidable economic growth in the postwar era.
In 1951, Japan's GNP was US$14,2 billion, half of West Germany, 3x less than Britian, and a mere 4,2% of the US economy. By 1970, Japan had overtaken all European economies, and represented over 20% of the US's GNP. In 1975, it was double of the UK's, and 1980, it reached US$1040 billion, roughly 40% of the US's.
One advantage that Japan had over countries that were to be called "developing nations" was its tradition in education. Like Germany, Japan emerged from World War II with a reservoir of persons experienced with technology and science. Other advantages was Japan's devotion to free enterprise. Japan's industries were relatively well managed within a free enterprise system. The Soviet experience demonstrated that no matter how well trained a work force, much was lost if the system was poorly managed.

发展是需要经济基础的，他的经济从哪里来？！我不能给出他们100%的经济来源，不过我知道有下面几点的来源。2，从中国还有其他地方侵略所得到的金钱，（你想知道日本从中国侵略拿了多少钱吗？你可以随便问一下任何一个学过历史的中国人，他们会告诉你具体的数量的，不过我可以告诉你一下计算单位是用万万两（没有多打一个万）白银和黄金来计算的。

Absolutely ridiculous, In December 1937, an estimated 6000 tons of gold were looted from KMT's treasuries (Nanjing) within a few days. As the Japanese Imperial Army swept through southern china and assimilated virtually all of southeast Asia, it thoroughly seized over 4000 years worth of stored gold, silver, precious gems, and works of art. 

During the earlier part of the WWII looted treasures were being shipped back to Japan for badly needed war finances. However, when American patrolling naval vessels made the shipping of these looted treasures to Japan much too risky to continue with due to almost certain loss, another plan was devised.
Most of this vast treasure never made it to Japan. With the American victory at Midway at South Pacific, Japan became reluctant to risk its transport through heavily patrolled waters. Instead, it was diverted to the philippines, chiefly aboard the captured Dutch passenger liner Op ten Noort. Almost all of the looted war treasures that the Japanese had accumulated thereafter was being channeled to the Philippines and buried. Its been told that in October 1945, American intelligence agents learned where some of the Japanese loot was hidden in the Philippines, and quietly recovered billions of dollars worth of gold bullion, platinum, and loose diamonds. Many recent finds have clearly been documented. $43,518,812,967.69 awarded to the estate of treasure-hunter Roger Roxas in 1996 over Yamashita's Gold, the largest single judgement in the history of law, although the judgement was later reduced to a mere $22,001,405,000.00.

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luck1023 · 发表于 3-2-2005 20:55:49|来自：新加坡

redvwe!! 最后一次提醒你，既然你要作为一个评价者来评价中国，评价日本！那么你就要至少要了解2国的历史和现在，那些路人皆知的证据是不需要我来提供的！既然你要在这里“申辩”那么请你自己做好应该做的功课，不要连小学生都知道的东西要要问别人！不然只能显示你的无知白痴愚蠢，更加请你收回你的话“DON'T BE A FOOL！"因为这句话只适合像你这样FOOL的人。（这个也不是我一个人对你的评价，其他接贴的人你自己可以看看多少人对你有这个评价，可不要说他们都是我一个人扮演的马甲哦）如果你真的那么不了解历史的话，那么你就去网上搜索一下，绝对会让你满意的！！ 所以最后提醒你一句，请不要在显示你的无知了。。。。。因为我看到了你说的话以后，真是为这个世界感到悲哀。。。。[em06][em06]

redvwe · 发表于 3-2-2005 22:07:01|来自：新加坡

<DIV class=quote>所以最后提醒你一句，请不要在显示你的无知了。。。。。因为我看到了你说的话以后，真是为这个世界感到悲哀。。。。</DIV>
Considering you spent all that time for this, even idiots of low IQ would get something out of it. But the fact that you twist facts and leave out facts not suitable for your propaganda while stress even the most petty argument to suit your own arguments is too well known and doesn't give your argument any more weight even if you don't know anything at all.

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